- Mar 30, 2010
- #1
RhinoDave
Super Active Member
- Oct 29, 2008
- 2,315
- Lake Orion, Mi.
I've come up with several different options over the years to haul canoes, bikes, and now kayaks. I just finished making a rack to haul kayaks on the PUP and the bikes on the TV. I hauled this way all last year. I still needed a good rack system for moving the kayaks after setting up camp and I did make a rack that incorporated a lifting mechanism similar to Thules hullivator for the TV. The problem with my homemade version was that I had to remove all the bike mounting components to use it so it was dismantled and written off as a good idea that didn't work. I just managed to score two sets of Yakima hullraisers off craigslist and after making some adjustments, I was able to get three bikes and both kayaks on the TV.
My question after all this is: Would you just mount everything on the TV and not use the PUP rack or would you continue to use the rack on the PUP and maybe put everthing on it instead of the TV. I would be interested in the reasons behind your decisions. Being 62, it's a little bit of a chore to get the kayaks on the TV and I would have to pack a small step ladder. I don't need one to put the kayaks on the PUP or the bikes on the TV.
- Mar 30, 2010
- #2
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adamteja
Active Member
- Aug 17, 2009
- 130
- Alpharetta, GA
I just ordered a Yakima Boatloader
http://www.yakima.com/racks/kayak-rack/product/8004018/boatloader.aspx
DW and I were trying to figure out how to load a NuCanoe (85lbs) on the pup... couldn't figure out how to get it over/past the AC without adding even MORE weight to the top.
1) we need a way to move the boat without the pup
2) didn't want to put excess weight on the pup roof, leaks are bad
3) of course, I'm not sure my bike is going to coexist with the NuCanoe on top.
- Mar 30, 2010
- #3
friartuck
Super Active Member
- Nov 1, 2007
- 3,029
- Perry, MI
Well Dave you've seen my (our) setup, everything on the truck. Of course we're in the two vehicles at the campground mode (we still live in different states - gotta love a LDR) so we travel with our own gear on our own vehicles till we get to the campground. Then the yak's go on her car (with her Hullavator) when it's boating time and the bikes go on mine (3 sets of rails) for bike time. Besides with my TT ('tiny trailer' nyuk nyuk nyuk) the 16' yaks would hang waaay off the back.
- Mar 30, 2010
- #4
theseus
Living the Darkside...
Silver Supporting Member
- Feb 6, 2007
- 3,825
- Southwest Ohio
Well we use a Swagman towing bike carrier. The canoe goes on top of the TV. I will say that I am envious of people with racks built into the roof of their pups...
- Mar 30, 2010
- #5
Snow
Super Active Member
- Jul 19, 2007
- 12,462
Since the truck has no roof rack, nor does the pup, I am working on custom building an aluminum "roof rack" to go over the tonneau cover on the truck. Just have to get back at it before my welding neighbour gets busy at his work.
- Mar 30, 2010
- #6
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magicfish
Active Member
- Apr 21, 2009
- 160
We carry 2 kayaks on our TV similar to RhinoDave's picture. With my shoulder and a short DW, it would be a lot easier to carry them on the pup but it is a lot more flexible to have them on the TV. If they were only on the pup, we wouldn't be able to take them to lakes and rivers that are not near the campsite.
- Mar 30, 2010
- #7
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SmilinBeard
Active Member
- Feb 18, 2008
- 506
We have homemade racks that we sometimes use for two kayaks and a canoe on top of the PUP. The problem is you need to stop by the ramp or dock to drop them off before setting up the PUC or unlash them from the PUP and lash them to the TV on arrival. We also have put boats on the TV from the start, which is hard to do now that we have an expedition [oh for the days when a station wagon could pull a PUP], and there is quite a bit of wind resistance. We've done bikes both ways too. Whether I bother with putting boats on the PUP depends on how far I am going.
- Mar 31, 2010
- #8
PaThacker
Super Active Member
- Feb 11, 2010
- 1,525
- Poconos
I can imagine going with the widest thule/yakima bars you can find, hook the bike attachments up outside of the feet, and have the kayak/canoe in the middle.
- Mar 31, 2010
- #9
RhinoDave
Super Active Member
- Oct 29, 2008
- 2,315
- Lake Orion, Mi.
Thanks all for the responses. It never ceases to surprise me of all the various ways we all haul our toys. One of my favorite things to observe is the the way everyone heading North for the weekend would haul all the recreational equipment. After reading the responses and taking a little while to think about it, I think I'm going to continue hauling the kayaks on the PUP and the bikes on the TV. It is really the easiest on me for loading purposes. I did make a loading bar similar to the Yakima one but a whole lot cheaper to load the kayaks on the PUP.
There is no way I'm going to get the DW to drive a separate vehicle so I guess the good Friars method won't work for me.
I'll just plan on taking the Hullraiser brackets with me when we plan on driving to a kayaking destination after setting up the PUP. At least with the Hullraisers, I won't have to change the bike mounts around or take them off. Now, anybody got a good method to load the kayaks on the hullraisers? I used the TVs back doors as the pivot point and a stepladder. Definately harder lifting a 50 lb yak versus a 20 lb bike.
- Apr 1, 2010
- #10
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CCH
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- May 25, 2009
- 7
theseus, is there any way to drop the ball lower using that Swagman? It looks ideal for our uses but my Xterra rides pretty high and a straight shot back is going to create a pretty big tilt in the PUC. I've considered roof racks as well but in trying to transport four bikes, loading and unloading will be a real treat. Either way, I like the option of having the bikes on the TV instead of the PUC so that we can take them with us as desired.
- Jan 5, 2014
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bmcilravey
Lovin' the pup!
- Aug 13, 2012
- 280
I am late to this discussion but it's a good one..some great posts. I am in a similar dilemma. Being new to PUP last summer, we found we need to bring bikes and we also bought a NuCanoe. Now I need to find a way to tow it all. I am thinking NuCanoe on the roof of TV so I am not limited to using it only with the pup. My big problem is my TV. It's a 2013 Honda Ody and has no problem hauling the Pup solo (it's 2400 dry, roughly 2700 loaded up). Adding bikes and canoe to the TV is too much for the tongue weight. So putting canoe on TV (70lbs) and bike rack at rear of pup or roof of pup should work.....I am hoping anyways.
Great discussion....great info as always.
- Jan 5, 2014
- #12
exploreco
Super Active Member
- Jun 20, 2013
- 1,501
- Central, IL
BigMac said:
I am late to this discussion but it's a good one..some great posts. I am in a similar dilemma. Being new to PUP last summer, we found we need to bring bikes and we also bought a NuCanoe. Now I need to find a way to tow it all. I am thinking NuCanoe on the roof of TV so I am not limited to using it only with the pup. My big problem is my TV. It's a 2013 Honda Ody and has no problem hauling the Pup solo (it's 2400 dry, roughly 2700 loaded up). Adding bikes and canoe to the TV is too much for the tongue weight. So putting canoe on TV (70lbs) and bike rack at rear of pup or roof of pup should work.....I am hoping anyways.
Great discussion....great info as always.
I am in the same situation as you. Trying to figure out a bike rack situation. I don't have a canoe to haul, but bikes need to be hauled. Currently trying to decided between the Pro Rac system or the Sport Rack 1020 that attaches to the top of the pup. Leaning towards the Sport Rack as I don't really want to remove the front tires and don't even know if kids bikes have quick release for tires when my son starts riding a bike soon. The Sport Rack would also give us the option of possible transporting something else on top if we ever wanted too. Also, not sure how the Pro Rac will affect the tongue weight of the pup. Need to do some more research on how that works.
- Jan 5, 2014
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bburgcamper
16 weekends a year camping just isn't enough.
- Jun 8, 2008
- 1,000
I prefer to keep my kayaks on top of the truck to keep the weight off the camper. It also allows us to transport them to launch site. We have a Yakima rack setup with hully rollers that makes loading relatively easy on the truck and camper shell. We can either put a rail on the racks for a bike or we usually just put them in the back of the truck. I am scared to drill into my camper to mount a rack. I am also concerned with putting a rack on back of the camper due to throwing the tongue weight off and causing sway.
- Feb 1, 2014
- #14
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bmcilravey
Lovin' the pup!
- Aug 13, 2012
- 280
@exploreco: did you ever decide on a bike rack??? I am looking at a Sixnall which is the floating rack. Had some good direct feedback on it from @DanielL.
- Feb 1, 2014
- #15
exploreco
Super Active Member
- Jun 20, 2013
- 1,501
- Central, IL
BigMac said:
@exploreco: did you ever decide on a bike rack??? I am looking at a Sixnall which is the floating rack. Had some good direct feedback on it from @DanielL.
I am 99% certian that I will go with the Pro Rac system. After looking at things and the height of our roof the Pro Rac will allow my wife to still be able to help get the bikes of easily were any roof system wouldn't. So I think that is the way I am leaning today
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- Feb 1, 2014
- #16
vagov
Super Active Member
- Aug 13, 2012
- 5,638
- Pittsburgh, Pa
I was looking at two kayaks today about 70 pounds apeice y pup has four mounting brackets. Old yakahoma i think. Just neeed to get bars to go into them just wondering if roof could take the weight. I like to mount one kayak on each side of a/c unit?
- Feb 3, 2014
- #17
jmkay1
2004 Fleetwood/Coleman Utah
- Oct 10, 2013
- 8,903
- Northern Virginia
I'm planning a long trip to Maine this summer. Was planning on bringing a kayak or two and a bike or two. I have no problem carrying this on\in my TV but never attempted to tow my pup as well. Is this a bad idea? I never considered tongue weight until someone mentioned it above.
Stats:
Kayaks: 50 and 30 pounds
Bikes: one adult one mid size
TV: toyota 4 runner max tongue weight 500
Pup: 97 jayco 806 unsure tongue weight possibly 220?
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- Feb 3, 2014
- #18
RhinoDave
Super Active Member
- Oct 29, 2008
- 2,315
- Lake Orion, Mi.
Here's a few pictures of my past and current configurations. I prefer to haul the kayaks (102 lbs combined) on the PUP mainly because it's easier for me to handle them. Most Colemans had a 300 lb weight limit when closed. On my old Trailblazer I had two kayaks and three adult bikes on the roof but I didn't like loading them up there by myself. I currently have a pickup and use a Darby bed extender to carry the kayaks in the bed when transporting the kayaks from the campground to a drop in spot.
The Trailblazer with everything on the TV roof:
The Trailblazer in the most preferred configuration:
The Pickup in the preferred setup:
The pickup with everything on it:
The bed extender:
- Feb 3, 2014
- #19
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MiamiCamper
Active Member
- Feb 4, 2013
- 162
This is how I do it..
- Feb 5, 2014
- #20
yetavon
everything is better around a campfire.
- Mar 11, 2010
- 3,577
- Western NC
I have used about every combination over the years. short boat and bikes fit in the PUC bed. If I bring 2 or a long boat then the rack goes in and bikes go on the bike carrier on the camper spare. when we had the Pup we carried the boats on it a few times.
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